Best U23 Rider
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Re: Best U23 Rider
Final result after voting:
Name: João Vecchi
Team: Time Indaiatuba
Age (at start of season): 20
Points inside category: 109
3 wins, including La Génération Future in general and in sprint classification (Div1)
7 other results (Div1)
Name: Jonathan Rodenthal
Team: Asamoa
Age (at start of season): 22
Points inside category: 144
2 wins (Div1)
4 other results (Div1)
Name: Pierre Uhland
Team: Nullinger
Age (at start of season): 22
Points inside category: 116
3 wins (div1)
4 other results, including sprint classification (div1)
Name: Seb Gold
Team: TallGuysInSpandex
Age (at start of season): 21
Points inside category: 114
3 wins mention (Div2)
1 other results (Div2)
Name: João Vecchi
Team: Time Indaiatuba
Age (at start of season): 20
Points inside category: 109
3 wins, including La Génération Future in general and in sprint classification (Div1)
7 other results (Div1)
Name: Jonathan Rodenthal
Team: Asamoa
Age (at start of season): 22
Points inside category: 144
2 wins (Div1)
4 other results (Div1)
Name: Pierre Uhland
Team: Nullinger
Age (at start of season): 22
Points inside category: 116
3 wins (div1)
4 other results, including sprint classification (div1)
Name: Seb Gold
Team: TallGuysInSpandex
Age (at start of season): 21
Points inside category: 114
3 wins mention (Div2)
1 other results (Div2)
Holwerda- Admin
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Re: Best U23 Rider
The vote is tied, I will give my vote to Uhland
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Re: Best U23 Rider
Yes, the quality of the field is very high. I am fine with these selections as they are.
Don Hamstre- Admin
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Re: Best U23 Rider
Maybe not worse than Gold but also not better than the three to vote for. It seems like a lot of riders to choose from.
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I am currently visiting Leolion irl, and I have to say it's a bit weird not to see his rider Estrada mentioned here. He had a better season than Gold imo, but I don't value U23-Div2 at all, so that's probably why.
Still fine with whatever you all agree on though, just noticed it and wanted to have him mentioned
Still fine with whatever you all agree on though, just noticed it and wanted to have him mentioned
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Re: Best U23 Rider
I vote for Ercegovac, who has 67 points inside category (his 2nd in the GC wasn't counted).
Name: Gordan Ercegovac
Team: Yuri SuperTeam
Age (at start of season): 22
Points inside category: 67
2 wins (div1)
5 other results, including 3rd WC U23 and 2nd La Génération Future GC and SC (5 (div1)
Also, Uhland's record should be fixed as it presently just says sprinting classification -- he was 3rd in La Generation Future SC.
Name: Gordan Ercegovac
Team: Yuri SuperTeam
Age (at start of season): 22
Points inside category: 67
2 wins (div1)
5 other results, including 3rd WC U23 and 2nd La Génération Future GC and SC (5 (div1)
Also, Uhland's record should be fixed as it presently just says sprinting classification -- he was 3rd in La Generation Future SC.
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Re: Best U23 Rider
Voting between 4 is a bit much. since you both do not want to lose Ercegovac, Hulshof can be left out of voting imo.
Ready for voting.
Ready for voting.
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Re: Best U23 Rider
Alright, thank you both. I have added Hulshof for consideration. I prefer Rodenthal to be directly on the ballot as he is one of the few riders to perform consistently well without having participated in the tour. Also I have left Gordan Ercegovac on the ballot because he did become second in the tour and had a WC result. So I'll leave it up to the rest who is better
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Ditto to previous about leaving out the tour 'youth' winner, that isn't counted here, and the 'other results', this is only U23 specific races for wins/results.
Also agree with Holwerda about Karel Hulshof; three wins and a result in a category is basically enough to go straight on the ballot, imo.
But I'd keep Ercegovac in the vote.
Vecchi's numbers may need a 2nd look beyond the YC. I think the 5th place in the WC might count as a result in this category (of the instructions are accurate)? (which would make 8 results)
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Uhland would get vote on current line-up.
Also agree with Holwerda about Karel Hulshof; three wins and a result in a category is basically enough to go straight on the ballot, imo.
But I'd keep Ercegovac in the vote.
Vecchi's numbers may need a 2nd look beyond the YC. I think the 5th place in the WC might count as a result in this category (of the instructions are accurate)? (which would make 8 results)
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Uhland would get vote on current line-up.
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Re: Best U23 Rider
You've got the right nominees in my opinion, so that looks good.
For consideration Gordan Ercegovac does not make a big impression on me. I would rather have Karel Hulshof in the list with 100 points which is a good performance, with 3 wins.
About the text:
I would leave out Youth Classification of La Génération Future (U23). It does not really makes sense, because it is the same as winning the tour, because everybody is young. So I would leave it out of text and also in number of wins and results.
About points, wins and results:
João Vecchi got 109 points if I count correctly and leaving out YC makes 3 wins.
Jonathan Rodenthal all fine
Seb Gold all fine
Gordan Ercegovac results will be 5 when we leave out YC
Pierre Uhland all fine
Srečko Zakrajšek got 3 wins inside category, we leave out wins and results from 'normal' races.
For consideration Gordan Ercegovac does not make a big impression on me. I would rather have Karel Hulshof in the list with 100 points which is a good performance, with 3 wins.
About the text:
I would leave out Youth Classification of La Génération Future (U23). It does not really makes sense, because it is the same as winning the tour, because everybody is young. So I would leave it out of text and also in number of wins and results.
About points, wins and results:
João Vecchi got 109 points if I count correctly and leaving out YC makes 3 wins.
Jonathan Rodenthal all fine
Seb Gold all fine
Gordan Ercegovac results will be 5 when we leave out YC
Pierre Uhland all fine
Srečko Zakrajšek got 3 wins inside category, we leave out wins and results from 'normal' races.
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Re: Best U23 Rider
Sorry that I am too late. I'll be glad to hear if I have made any mistakes.
Name: João Vecchi
Team: Time Indaiatuba
Age (at start of season): 20
Points inside category: 109
3 wins, including La Génération Future in general and in sprint classification (Div1)
7 other results (Div1)
Name: Jonathan Rodenthal
Team: Asamoa
Age (at start of season): 22
Points inside category: 144
2 wins (Div1)
4 other results (Div1)
Name: Seb Gold
Team: TallGuysInSpandex
Age (at start of season): 21
Points inside category: 114
3 wins mention (Div2)
1 other results (Div2)
For Consideration
Name: Gordan Ercegovac
Team: Yuri SuperTeam
Age (at start of season): 22
Points inside category: 32
2 wins (div1)
5 other results, including WC and La Génération Future in general and in sprint classification (div1)
Name: Pierre Uhland
Team: Nullinger
Age (at start of season): 22
Points inside category: 116
3 wins (div1)
4 other results, including sprint classification (div1)
Name: Srečko Zakrajšek
Team: Team Majones
Age (at start of season): 21
Points inside category: 50
3 wins, including WC-ITT (div1)
1 other results (div1)
Name: Karel Hulshof
Team: Die Tour Phantome
Age (at start of season): 21
Points inside category: 100
3 wins (div2)
1 other result (div2)
Name: João Vecchi
Team: Time Indaiatuba
Age (at start of season): 20
Points inside category: 109
3 wins, including La Génération Future in general and in sprint classification (Div1)
7 other results (Div1)
Name: Jonathan Rodenthal
Team: Asamoa
Age (at start of season): 22
Points inside category: 144
2 wins (Div1)
4 other results (Div1)
Name: Seb Gold
Team: TallGuysInSpandex
Age (at start of season): 21
Points inside category: 114
3 wins mention (Div2)
1 other results (Div2)
For Consideration
Name: Gordan Ercegovac
Team: Yuri SuperTeam
Age (at start of season): 22
Points inside category: 32
2 wins (div1)
5 other results, including WC and La Génération Future in general and in sprint classification (div1)
Name: Pierre Uhland
Team: Nullinger
Age (at start of season): 22
Points inside category: 116
3 wins (div1)
4 other results, including sprint classification (div1)
Name: Srečko Zakrajšek
Team: Team Majones
Age (at start of season): 21
Points inside category: 50
3 wins, including WC-ITT (div1)
1 other results (div1)
Team: Die Tour Phantome
Age (at start of season): 21
Points inside category: 100
3 wins (div2)
1 other result (div2)
Last edited by The Modern Stijn on Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:05 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Best U23 Rider
- Only results in U23 races or tours count
Format for this category:
Name:
Team:
Age (at start of season):
Points inside category:
wins mention U23 WC or U23 WC ITT wins (U-23 Division in which the wins were achieved)
other results mention U23 WC or U23 WC ITT results (U-23 Division in which the results were achieved)
Example:
Name: Baby Doe
Team: Invisible Riders
Age (at start of season): 19
Points inside category: 100
2 wins, including U23 WC (1 U-23 Div-1, 1 U-23 Div2)
2 other results, including 8th place U23 WC TT (1 U-23 Div-1, 1 U23 Div-2)
Please do it exactly like this, just don't nominate Baby Doe
Format for this category:
Name:
Team:
Age (at start of season):
Points inside category:
wins mention U23 WC or U23 WC ITT wins (U-23 Division in which the wins were achieved)
other results mention U23 WC or U23 WC ITT results (U-23 Division in which the results were achieved)
Example:
Name: Baby Doe
Team: Invisible Riders
Age (at start of season): 19
Points inside category: 100
2 wins, including U23 WC (1 U-23 Div-1, 1 U-23 Div2)
2 other results, including 8th place U23 WC TT (1 U-23 Div-1, 1 U23 Div-2)
Please do it exactly like this, just don't nominate Baby Doe
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