Best Climber
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The Modern Stijn
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Re: Best Climber
Engalychev gets my vote, final standings:
Dechev 5
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Engalychev 3
Ammouayphone 0
Dechev 5
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Engalychev 3
Ammouayphone 0
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Re: Best Climber
Dechev
Ammouayphone 0
Engalychev 2
Dechev 5
Ammouayphone 0
Engalychev 2
Dechev 5
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Re: Best Climber
Dechev
Ammouayphone 0
Engalychev 2
Dechev 4
@Stijn: Abstain?
Ammouayphone 0
Engalychev 2
Dechev 4
@Stijn: Abstain?
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Re: Best Climber
David Engalychev
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Re: Best Climber
Ammouayphone 0
Engalychev 1
Dechev 1
Engalychev 1
Dechev 1
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Re: Best Climber
I think you make some very good points. I will switch both around and put Kholadeth up for voting instead of Xiong
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Re: Best Climber
Even though I never like nominating 0 win candidates, Dahlström did score top-5 in all of the climbing classics and finished top-10 in the overall rankings. So he has a good case. If anyone should get in over him it's Zhou Xiong, but it's pretty close between them.
I do struggle to see why Kholadeth has a better season than Xiong. Same points inside category, but Zhou has a big win and a classic top-5. I understand wanting the lower divisions to be represented, but that does have to be on merit.
I do struggle to see why Kholadeth has a better season than Xiong. Same points inside category, but Zhou has a big win and a classic top-5. I understand wanting the lower divisions to be represented, but that does have to be on merit.
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Re: Best Climber
I have had quite a difficult time deciding who I wanted to nominate for reasons I will mostly discuss below.
Nominated:
Name: Douglas Andren
Team: Team Oasis
OCM Tour Rank: 5th
OCM Tour Points: 1560
Points inside category: 1450 (93%)
5 wins inside category (all Div1)
4 other results inside category (all Div1)
This one is the most straightforward one, most wins of anyone in the category and the most points.
Name: Bengt Dahlström
Team: AK Pro Race
OCM Tour Rank: 7th
OCM Tour Points: 1420
Points inside category: 1420 (100%)
0 wins inside category (all Div1)
10 other results inside category (all Div1), including 3rd Critérium La Provence, 4th Alpe d`Huez Classic, 4th Zürich-Bern-Zürich
About him I was doubting a lot, given that he has not won a single race. However, he is more than 300 points away from the 3rd highest and unlike Douglas, he did participate in a few classics and got reasonably good results.
Name: Zhuo Xiong
Team: Lots o Huggin Bear
OCM Tour Rank: 10th
OCM Tour Points: 1250
Points inside category: 1070 (86%)
2 wins inside category (all Div1), including TBBT (CL is 96)
5 other results inside category (all Div1), including 5th Alpe d'Huez Classic
Regarding other divisions there are not any riders as far as I have been able to tell that had more than 5 wins besides Douglas and Radoslav, and most that won the classics or tours listed did not win significantly more other climb races.
For voting:
Name: Kholadeth Ammouayphone
Team: Velo Club Bored Man
OCM Tour Rank: 18th
OCM Tour Points: 1070
Points inside category: 1070 (100%)
3 wins inside category (all Div2)
3 other results inside category (all Div2)
(see the replies, old text was: I always prefer to nominate someone as well from one of the lower divisions that has been the best there and for this one I was doubting between Kholadeth and Radoslav Dechev (who I will put up for voting), but I decided to go for Kholadeth because he received more points and because all his points are from climbing races.)
Name: David Engalychev
Team: Drake Racing
OCM Tour Rank: 16th
OCM Tour Points: 1090
Points inside category: 1090 (100%)
2 wins inside category (both Div1)
4 other results inside category (all Div1)
Name: Radoslav Dechev
Team: Matrix team
OCM Tour Rank: 8th
OCM Tour Points: 1304
Points inside category: 830 (64%)
5 wins inside category (3 in Div2, 2 in Div3)
3 other results inside category (1 Div2, 2 Div3)
If someone disagrees with the nominations or thinks someone else should be up for voting, I would love to hear it
Nominated:
Name: Douglas Andren
Team: Team Oasis
OCM Tour Rank: 5th
OCM Tour Points: 1560
Points inside category: 1450 (93%)
5 wins inside category (all Div1)
4 other results inside category (all Div1)
This one is the most straightforward one, most wins of anyone in the category and the most points.
Name: Bengt Dahlström
Team: AK Pro Race
OCM Tour Rank: 7th
OCM Tour Points: 1420
Points inside category: 1420 (100%)
0 wins inside category (all Div1)
10 other results inside category (all Div1), including 3rd Critérium La Provence, 4th Alpe d`Huez Classic, 4th Zürich-Bern-Zürich
About him I was doubting a lot, given that he has not won a single race. However, he is more than 300 points away from the 3rd highest and unlike Douglas, he did participate in a few classics and got reasonably good results.
Name: Zhuo Xiong
Team: Lots o Huggin Bear
OCM Tour Rank: 10th
OCM Tour Points: 1250
Points inside category: 1070 (86%)
2 wins inside category (all Div1), including TBBT (CL is 96)
5 other results inside category (all Div1), including 5th Alpe d'Huez Classic
Regarding other divisions there are not any riders as far as I have been able to tell that had more than 5 wins besides Douglas and Radoslav, and most that won the classics or tours listed did not win significantly more other climb races.
For voting:
Name: Kholadeth Ammouayphone
Team: Velo Club Bored Man
OCM Tour Rank: 18th
OCM Tour Points: 1070
Points inside category: 1070 (100%)
3 wins inside category (all Div2)
3 other results inside category (all Div2)
(see the replies, old text was: I always prefer to nominate someone as well from one of the lower divisions that has been the best there and for this one I was doubting between Kholadeth and Radoslav Dechev (who I will put up for voting), but I decided to go for Kholadeth because he received more points and because all his points are from climbing races.)
Name: David Engalychev
Team: Drake Racing
OCM Tour Rank: 16th
OCM Tour Points: 1090
Points inside category: 1090 (100%)
2 wins inside category (both Div1)
4 other results inside category (all Div1)
Name: Radoslav Dechev
Team: Matrix team
OCM Tour Rank: 8th
OCM Tour Points: 1304
Points inside category: 830 (64%)
5 wins inside category (3 in Div2, 2 in Div3)
3 other results inside category (1 Div2, 2 Div3)
If someone disagrees with the nominations or thinks someone else should be up for voting, I would love to hear it
Last edited by The Modern Stijn on Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:20 pm; edited 1 time in total
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Best Climber
Points inside category count for the following:
- Normal races or tour stages where CL is bigger or the same as all skills (except for DH if Best Downhiller does not take place), and CL+DH+HL is bigger or the same as 1.25 SP+FR+TQ
- Valparaiso, SdA, MRT GC points count, and TBBT or Copa Andes GC points count if rider has CL>80
Thanks to Alexander from Team Chili, nominating in specialist categories gets a little bit easier. If you want an overview of the top-20 riders of this category based on points scored in races inside category in Division 1 t/m 3, do the following:
- Go to the OCM Chat
- look if 'chilibot' is online (it usually is)
- type in '/query chilibot'
- In the individual conversation screen with chilibot, type in 'q awardType 62 CL' (the number stands for the season, so it might be wrong if I forgot to edit it)
- You will now get a response from chilibot, giving you a link to the top-20, with points scored attached.
Beware however, this list does not take into account results in Div4 or lower, and might not include some of the newer races, so always check if a rider has scored in any of those divisions/races before posting his points inside category. Also, make sure you don't miss that great rider who has won 10 races, but never made it to the higher divisions.
The format for this category:
Name:
Team:
OCM Tour Rank:
OCM Tour Points:
Points inside category: (Percentage between brackets)
wins, including mention classic wins (Divisions in which races were won)
other results, including mention classic results (Divisions in which results were achieved)
Example:
Name: Lumi Doe
Team: Invisible Riders
OCM Tour Rank: 6th
OCM Tour Points: 1250
Points inside category: 1000 (80%)
2 wins inside category, including Z-B-Z (both Div1)
5 other results inside category (4 Div1, 1 Div1.1)
Please do it exactly like this, just don't nominate Lumi Doe
- Normal races or tour stages where CL is bigger or the same as all skills (except for DH if Best Downhiller does not take place), and CL+DH+HL is bigger or the same as 1.25 SP+FR+TQ
- Valparaiso, SdA, MRT GC points count, and TBBT or Copa Andes GC points count if rider has CL>80
Thanks to Alexander from Team Chili, nominating in specialist categories gets a little bit easier. If you want an overview of the top-20 riders of this category based on points scored in races inside category in Division 1 t/m 3, do the following:
- Go to the OCM Chat
- look if 'chilibot' is online (it usually is)
- type in '/query chilibot'
- In the individual conversation screen with chilibot, type in 'q awardType 62 CL' (the number stands for the season, so it might be wrong if I forgot to edit it)
- You will now get a response from chilibot, giving you a link to the top-20, with points scored attached.
Beware however, this list does not take into account results in Div4 or lower, and might not include some of the newer races, so always check if a rider has scored in any of those divisions/races before posting his points inside category. Also, make sure you don't miss that great rider who has won 10 races, but never made it to the higher divisions.
The format for this category:
Name:
Team:
OCM Tour Rank:
OCM Tour Points:
Points inside category: (Percentage between brackets)
wins, including mention classic wins (Divisions in which races were won)
other results, including mention classic results (Divisions in which results were achieved)
Example:
Name: Lumi Doe
Team: Invisible Riders
OCM Tour Rank: 6th
OCM Tour Points: 1250
Points inside category: 1000 (80%)
2 wins inside category, including Z-B-Z (both Div1)
5 other results inside category (4 Div1, 1 Div1.1)
Please do it exactly like this, just don't nominate Lumi Doe
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