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Post  KrMees Sat Aug 14, 2021 2:25 pm

Good catch Don, turns out my scraper got every stage winner with a space in front of his name, except for Lasse. So I had 1 Lasse and 1 SPACE-Lasse rider name in my sheet.

I think Sunde and Horan could join Tracz, Terhorst and Ferit to make a 5-man category. Pepping is close for me since I do value 3 victories in div 3, actually winning is worth a lot in my book. Still, I think most managers would value the high scorers in div 1 more, so the aforementioned list of 5 would be nice in my book.

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Post  Don Hamstre Sat Aug 14, 2021 11:23 am

My fault for not checking this category well enough earlier, but the biggest point scorer in this category, Lasse Sunde (http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1156468), is missing. I think you might have not counted Au bord du Lac Kivu on your sheet KrMees.
He will be added to the form.

I think in hindsight putting the bar at at least 2 wins is a bit high, and I would lower it to 1 win, because someone like Lloyd Horan (http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1156468) winning Z-B-Z and with more points inside category should really be valued over most of the riders nominated now. I suggest adding him as well.

In my opinion neither of the two that are voted on would have a chance, but in case you all want your votes to have been worth it, I will break the tie and vote for Pepping. If any of you feel like he should be on the form he'll be there as well.

Would be a bit of a full category, but better too many nominees than to miss out on big ones like Sunde and Horan.

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Post  English Sprinting Team Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:44 pm

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Post  Logoloos Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:54 pm

Pepping

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Post  Twan_GewoonRechtdoor Thu Aug 12, 2021 2:52 pm

Witham

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Post  TimeIndaiatuba Wed Aug 11, 2021 7:53 pm

Pepping

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Post  Silenzio Wed Aug 11, 2021 2:02 pm

Pepping

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Post  KrMees Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:19 pm

Witham for me as well. All should be correct at this point.

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Post  paceuts Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:39 pm

Assuming info is correct I vote Witham

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Post  coulter Sun Aug 08, 2021 7:29 pm

Pepping for me.

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Post  KrMees Sat Aug 07, 2021 4:35 pm

EDIT: removed Tour/Cup stage win mentions in this post. If you really want to know about those, they are still in the big post below.

SO, based off the data below, here are my candidates - cast your votes!

These 3 should make it:

Name: Witold Tracz
Team: Hog Bay CT
OCM Tour Rank: 30th
OCM Tour Points: 880
Points inside category: 630 (71.6%)
4 wins inside category (1x Div2, 3x Div3)
2 other results inside category (1x Div1, 1x Div3)
*jury note: only rider with 4 wins in category, most points*

Name: Norbert Terhorst
Team: MrSjaakBraak
OCM Tour Rank: 195th
OCM Tour Points: 460
Points inside category: 460 (100%)
2 wins inside category, including Alpe d`Huez Classic (2x Div1)
1 other result inside category, 8th at Zürich-Bern-Zürich (1x Div1)
*jury note: 100% of points in category, Classic win*

Name: Serkan Ferit
Team: Manisaspor
OCM Tour Rank: 147th
OCM Tour Points: 528
Points inside category: 510 (96.6%)
2 wins inside category, including Ainet - Bruggen (1x Div2, 1x Div3)
3 other results inside category, including 4th at Zyte GP (1x Div2, 2x Div3)
*jury note: Classic win, Classic result, second-most points*

Up for vote:

Name: Tom Pepping
Team: PetrolGas
OCM Tour Rank: 100th
OCM Tour Points: 620
Points inside category: 520 (83.9%)
3 wins inside category (3x Div3)
1 other result inside category (1x Div3)
*jury note: Lots of points, most in category, but no big win*

Name: Stanley Witham
Team: Spin Doctors
OCM Tour Rank: 133d
OCM Tour Points: 540
Points inside category: 300 (55.6%)
2 wins inside category, including Critérium La Provence (1x Div1, 1x Div2)
1 other result inside category, (1x Div1)
*jury note: Classic win, but barely 50% of points in category*

Name: Josias Marroquín
Team: Team Guy
OCM Tour Rank: 212th
OCM Tour Points: 440
Points inside category: 390 (66.6%)
2 wins inside category (2x Div2)
1 other result inside category, (1x Div2)
*jury note: Solid stage wins, but is 1 good Porto enough?*

Wiering, Gomiz and Cowell each had sub-50% of points in category.
Beierholm only had 1 Div 3-win, everything else in Div 4.

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Post  KrMees Sat Aug 07, 2021 4:25 pm

So, I made a tiny formula mistake in the first post, so I missed races where CL was a joint-highest skill (like Critérium La Provence, an important Classic!). So, here's an image with the new rankings.

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I've underlined riders according to these conditions:
- 3 or more wins
- 2 wins including at least 1 classic
- 2 wins including at least 2 tour stages

This has given me 10 riders to analyze. Here's all of them - I will post my shortlist and voting candidates in a new comment, but you can use this post as inspiration in case you want to check out an outsider you think deserved more.

Name: Witold Tracz
Team: Hog Bay CT
OCM Tour Rank: 30th
OCM Tour Points: 880
Points inside category: 630 (71.6%)
4 wins inside category, 1 stage at Copa de la Historia de los Andes (1x Div2, 3x Div3)
2 other results inside category (1x Div1, 1x Div3)

Name: Tom Pepping
Team: PetrolGas
OCM Tour Rank: 100th
OCM Tour Points: 620
Points inside category: 520 (83.9%)
3 wins inside category (3x Div3)
1 other result inside category (1x Div3)

Name: Norbert Terhorst
Team: MrSjaakBraak
OCM Tour Rank: 195th
OCM Tour Points: 460
Points inside category: 460 (100%)
2 wins inside category, including Alpe d`Huez Classic (2x Div1)
1 other result inside category, 8th at Zürich-Bern-Zürich (1x Div1)

Name: Bernard Cowell
Team: Spin Doctors
OCM Tour Rank: 121st
OCM Tour Points: 566
Points inside category: 245 (43.3%)
2 wins inside category, including 2 stages at Vuelta de los Castillos (2x Div1)
1 other result inside category, (1x Div2)

Name: Jacob Wieringh
Team: Cycling team FPS
OCM Tour Rank: 26th
OCM Tour Points: 920
Points inside category: 400 (43.5%)
3 wins inside category, including 1 stage at Germany Tour (3x Div1)
1 other result inside category, 2d at Critérium La Provence (1x Div1)

Name: Kenn Beierholm
Team: Abs stars
OCM Tour Rank: 186th
OCM Tour Points: 471
Points inside category: 361 (76.6%)
3 wins inside category, including 1 stage at Race of the Minutemen (1x Div3, 2x Div4)
1 other result inside category, (1x Div4)

Name: Serkan Ferit
Team: Manisaspor
OCM Tour Rank: 147th
OCM Tour Points: 528
Points inside category: 510 (96.6%)
2 wins inside category, including Ainet - Bruggen (1x Div2, 1x Div3)
3 other results inside category, including 4th at Zyte GP (1x Div2, 2x Div3)

Name: Stanley Witham
Team: Spin Doctors
OCM Tour Rank: 133d
OCM Tour Points: 540
Points inside category: 300 (55.6%)
2 wins inside category, including Critérium La Provence (1x Div1, 1x Div2)
1 other result inside category, (1x Div1)

Name: Josias Marroquín
Team: Team Guy
OCM Tour Rank: 212th
OCM Tour Points: 440
Points inside category: 390 (66.6%)
2 wins inside category, 2 stages at Volta ao Porto (2x Div2)
1 other result inside category, (1x Div2)

Name: Calvino Gomiz
Team: V02maXXers
OCM Tour Rank: 212th
OCM Tour Points: 440
Points inside category: 150 (34.1%)
2 wins inside category, 2 stages at Norway Tour (2x Div3)
0 other results inside category

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Post  KrMees Fri Aug 06, 2021 7:26 pm

Good one, I only mentioned WT wins in the description and I believe they are counted in the OCM results, but they were not included in my div 1-4 CL race winner scan (Second column).

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Post  Don Hamstre Fri Aug 06, 2021 6:11 pm

Happy to see I have a fellow no wins no nomination member in you. Needless to say I completely agree on that. Wink

I think Div5 and below is never going to be impressive enough to compete, if a rider does that well down there he will have to have raced in Div4 or higher as well, and if he doesn't score there, he's clearly not worthy.

WT wins do not count btw, but not sure if you did count them, you just mentioned it, so better be sure.

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Post  KrMees Fri Aug 06, 2021 5:18 pm

Hello again!

As this is my first time helping out here, I'd love to get some feedback. I started out with the following method:
1. Gather all winners of races that qualify in division 4 or higher.
2. Sort by wins and add notes for Classics and Tour/Cup Stages.
3. Manually check riders with A: at least 2 victories or B: a classic win.

This gave me the following list:
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(note that B:B is wins in category, E:E is all wins, the results column F:F still includes ALL RACE RESULTS, not just CL results)

Three points:
1: This method misses out on riders that scored high, but failed to win either 2 races or one Classic in the category. I personally think that a great climber with lots of 2d places but no win in the category should still not be nominated, multiple wins or a big fish should be required. Still, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.
2: Is the div 4 cut-off right? For example, my own rider Riste Nikolovski reached 4 wins, 10 results, including a WT victory and Monte Rosa - all of them in the category. In div 1 those results would be a nomination, but I don't think it's enough since his 4 wins were gained in div 5 and WT-C. I'm using my own rider since I know his results to illustrate this, but the question is - should I look at outliers in divisions 5, 6, 7? Similar dilemma's are to be had with Wessel Hilbrands (10 results and a nice Edmonton performance), Que Nam Hong (8 wins, RotM and Oryx wins, but only 2 div 4 wins).
3: Any other riders I've missed?

Currently, my shortlist would probably be:
Witold Tracz, Hog Bay CT
Tom Pepping, PetrolGas
Norbert Terhorst, MrSjaakBraak
Bernard Cowell, Spin Doctors
Jacob Wieringh, Cycling team FPS

Keep in mind that I still have to take an in-depth look at the results (non-wins) and how many of them fall within the category.
Thanks in advance for any feedback!

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Post  Don Hamstre Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:52 am

Points inside category count for the following:
- Normal races or tour stages where CL is bigger or the same as all skills (except for DH if Best Downhiller does not take place), and CL+DH+HL is bigger or the same as 1.25 SP+FR+TQ
- No Tour GC points


The format for this category:

Name:
Team:
OCM Tour Rank:
OCM Tour Points:
Points inside category: (Percentage between brackets)
wins, including  mention classic wins (Divisions in which races were won)
other results, including mention classic results (Divisions in which results were achieved)

Example:

Name: Lumi Doe
Team: Invisible Riders
OCM Tour Rank: 6th
OCM Tour Points: 1250
Points inside category: 1000 (80%)
2 wins inside category, including Z-B-Z (both Div1)
5 other results inside category (4 Div1, 1 Div1.1)

Please do it exactly like this, just don't nominate Lumi Doe lol!

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