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Post  Holwerda Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:18 pm

Final result after voting:

Name: Armand Maiga
Team: ABK
OCM Tour Rank: 114th
OCM Tour Points: 570
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 470 (82%)
2 wins inside category, including Essex Tour GC (2 div1)
3 other results inside category, including 2nd Cymru Taith GC (1 div1, 2 div2)

Name: Carl Wilson
Team: Comfius
OCM Tour Rank: 20
OCM Tour Points: 1000
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 1000 (100%)
0 wins inside category, including
4 other results inside category, including

Name: Douwe Bruin
Team: ABK
OCM Tour Rank: 16
OCM Tour Points: 1070
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 1070 (100%)
2 wins inside category (2/3)
4 other results inside category (1/2)

Name: Geomar Giara
Team: Drollevangers (31/7-2022)
OCM Tour Rank: 61
OCM Tour Points: 710
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 660 (93%)
1 wins inside category, including 1 Bergen Rundtur (1)
3 other results inside category (1)

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Post  Holwerda Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:15 pm

Hard to seperate Maiga from Zhijun. I will give my vote to Maiga for doing it in Top Division.

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Post  team dustin Sat Aug 13, 2022 3:12 pm

thanks for the help, I appreciate that very much

1/3 nominees:

Name: Douwe Bruin
Team: ABK
OCM Tour Rank: 16
OCM Tour Points: 1070
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 1070 (100%)
2 wins inside category (2/3)
4 other results inside category (1/2)

Name: Carl Wilson
Team: Comfius
OCM Tour Rank: 20
OCM Tour Points: 1000
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 1000 (100%)
0 wins inside category, including  
4 other results inside category, including

Name: Geomar Giara
Team: Drollevangers (31/7-2022)
OCM Tour Rank: 61
OCM Tour Points: 710
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 660 (93%)
1 wins inside category, including 1 Bergen Rundtur (1)
3 other results inside category (1)

4/6 for voting:

Name: Dang Zhijun
Team: Totalidade
OCM Tour Rank: 172
OCM Tour Points: 480
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 388 (81%)
4 wins inside category (4/5), including Edmonton Red Deer Tour and El Corazón de México
1 other results inside category (4)

Name: Armand Maiga
Team: ABK
OCM Tour Rank: 114th
OCM Tour Points: 570
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 470 (82%)
2 wins inside category, including Essex Tour GC (2 div1)
3 other results inside category, including 2nd Cymru Taith GC (1 div1, 2 div2)

Name: Alston Dallas
Team: Cyclocomotiv
OCM Tour Rank: 29
OCM Tour Points: 940
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 830 (88%)
2 wins inside category (1/1.1)  
2 other results inside category (1/1.1), including 2 Bergen Rundtur (1)


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Post  team dustin Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:51 pm

all is fine for me, my knowledge is to low about it

I shall place it in a new reaction

thanks a lot

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Post  Holwerda Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:05 pm

I will try to help. I did most of the thinking from scratch with all the information we havwe now.
Douwe Bruin and Carl Wilson are the big scorers with both 1000+ points. Douwe has a little edge because he has two wins, but that was in Division 2 and 3, so not the victory for a top hiller. Carl hasn't won, but Hill races often end up in BA's, so I feel like second places are almost wins, so I think he should be in.
Giara has won the biggest race in hill category, Bergen Rundtur, so he could be in and since people already voted for him, I would put him in third spot for nominees.

Leaves us two or three places for votes. Maiga and Zhijun are mentioned and can be in for winning tours. Alston Dallas could be in as well, winning two races (div 1 and 1.1) and was second in Bergen.

So my proposal:
Nominees:
Douwe Bruin
Carl Wilson
Geomar Giara

To vote on:
Dang Zhijun
Armand Maiga
Alston Dallas

This is just my proposal, so let me know what you think about it.

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Post  Holwerda Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:59 pm

I did some checks on points, they are in blue. I will continue the check later. For now it seems Lennart Wester is not good enough to be nominated.

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Post  coulter Sat Aug 13, 2022 5:54 am

Silenzio -- not sure about that; yes as a mathematician > 75 means that, but as an OCM player I feel it is min 75 based on the 4-9-4-9 training schedule, so it should be beyond the 74 point, if you get my gist.

anyways, this one is too hard for me!

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Post  Silenzio Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:39 pm

Maiga has no HL>75 (its exactly 75), so the results from those tours should not count here.


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Post  team dustin Thu Aug 11, 2022 7:44 pm

sorry coulter, did not checked lower ranked riders, so Armand Maiga I had not see

I edited Points in Category, thanks coulter, could not find that numerous of points

so, all by all, I found it difficult to do it, I make it difficult and did it on the wrong way I suppose

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Post  coulter Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:21 pm

also, ignoring Bruin who got a tonne of points....
in category for the other 2 nominations.....

500 Lennart Wester
432 Dang Zhijun


I don't know if I agree with the nominations even.

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Post  coulter Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:10 pm

I believe the following is correct:

Points in Category
760 Emrick Hellenga
660 Geomar Giara
590 Drosmis Fadejevs
810 Alston Dallas


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Post  coulter Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:59 pm

Note that Armand Maiga (ABK) qualifies and won Essex Tour and was 2nd in Cymru Taith. I would have considered him also.

Name: Armand Maiga
Team: ABK
OCM Tour Rank: 114th
OCM Tour Points: 570
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 470 (82%)
2 wins inside category, including Essex Tour GC (2 div1)
3 other results inside category, including 2nd Cymru Taith GC (1 div1, 2 div2)

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Post  Holwerda Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:57 am

It doesn't look like it. There are four riders up for vote now it seems, that is a bit much. But voting has already started, so let's just get voting.
Is somebody checking points and results?

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Post  coulter Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:15 pm

is this actually ready to vote on?

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Post  Silenzio Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:39 pm

Giara

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Post  team dustin Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:35 am

vote Giara

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Post  Holwerda Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:40 pm

All points in Hill races are counted. Only wins and results are mentioned in win and result text.

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Post  team dustin Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:48 pm

'?' = did not know if it is correct
'??' = did not know/could not find

I have looked to the results only (+division) and checked if that were hilly races

I do not know if that is correct?

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Post  toblerone Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:31 pm

Not sure what I have to do for checking. Since I see the numbers are not crunched on these guys, I guess I shouldn't check those yet.

When it comes to the selection, I think is fine, but I find hard to discern between the riders that haven't won anything of significance. To me Giara and Zhijun look easy to select given the amount and importance of things won, Wester as winner of Grasse-Toulon is nice but sometimes is more of a sprinty thing, and then Bruin is probably the best of the scorers without trophies, but then you got guys like Hellenga or Dallas that also seem to have done a good campaign overall and is not very clear what's the criteria for leaving them out besides raw amount of points (which might be a fine criteria anyway).

Looks hard to make a selection.

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Post  team dustin Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:56 pm

results below, shall I place here too

1/3

Name: Douwe Bruin
Team: ABK
OCM Tour Rank: 16
OCM Tour Points: 1070
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 1070 (100%)
2 wins inside category (2/3)
4 other results inside category (1/2)

Name: Dang Zhijun
Team: Totalidade
OCM Tour Rank: 172
OCM Tour Points: 480
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 388 (81%)
4 wins inside category (4/5), including Edmonton Red Deer Tour and El Corazón de México
1 other results inside category (4)

Name: Lennart Wester
Team: team futerko
OCM Tour Rank: 42
OCM Tour Points: 850
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 410 (48%)
1 wins inside category, including 1 Grasse - Toulon (2)
3 other results inside category (2), including 3 Lappi Sea GP (2)

4/7 to choose about

Name: Emrick Hellenga
Team: pollyjean
OCM Tour Rank: 34
OCM Tour Points: 870
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 870 (100%)
1 wins inside category (2)  
4 other results inside category (1/2) , including 3rd in Cymru Taith

Name: Geomar Giara
Team: Drollevangers (31/7-2022)
OCM Tour Rank: 61
OCM Tour Points: 710
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 660 (93%)
1 wins inside category, including 1 Bergen Rundtur (1)
3 other results inside category (1)

Name: Drosmis Fadejevs
Team: Team Dopage
OCM Tour Rank: 73
OCM Tour Points: 670
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 670 (100%)
2 wins inside category (3)  
2 other results inside category (3)

Name: Alston Dallas
Team: Cyclocomotiv
OCM Tour Rank: 29
OCM Tour Points: 940
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 830 (88%)
2 wins inside category (1/1.1)  
2 other results inside category (1/1.1), including 2 Bergen Rundtur (1)

8/9 outside the border

Name: Abraham Mazimpaka
Team: MrSjaakBraak
OCM Tour Rank: 21
OCM Tour Points: 980
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 580 (59%)
1 wins inside category, including  
3 other results inside category, including

Name: Carl Wilson
Team: Comfius
OCM Tour Rank: 20
OCM Tour Points: 1000
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets) 1000 (100%)
0 wins inside category, including  
4 other results inside category, including


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Post  team dustin Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:12 pm

Thanks a lot, I did not know that


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Post  Holwerda Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:26 am

Looks like a link to the chili pages are not included. So if it helps you can look here:
http://cyclingsimulator.xyz/awards/HL.html

Only rider outside Division 1-3 worth considering:
Dang Zhijun (winning both El Corazon de Mexico (5) and Edmonton Red Deer Tour (4). www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider Profile&id=1199528



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Post  team dustin Sat Aug 06, 2022 12:51 am

brainstorm selection is there
soon the details shall follow (as the first ones)
after that I make it in the format


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Post  team dustin Fri Aug 05, 2022 12:14 pm

shall follow today

Top 50 riders, hill 70 or higher (day 4) + some good ones
+ check results

34 Emrick Hellenga 992
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1164923
6 -/-1wt: 5x
2 Burco - Naasa Hablood (2)
3 Ulm - Augsburg (1)
3 Volta do Belo Horizonte (1)
3 Cymru Taith (2)
1 Cymru Taith, Stage 1 (2)

22 Toulakham Dalaphone 980
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1221755
3 -/-3cl:
out

16 Douwe Bruin 970
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1164482
8 -/-2wt: 6x
1 Trofeo de San Fermín (2)
1 Souvenir de Bamenda (3)
2 Vejle Bakker (2)
2 Rosenheim - Königsbrunn (2)
2 Trincomalee-Jaffna (2)
3 Mons - Turnhout (1)

20 Carl Wilson 970
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1182508
6 -/-2wt: 4x
2 Morne Seychellois Trophy (2)
2 Volta do Belo Horizonte (1)
3 Opsada Dvorca Ostrozac (1)
3 Mullagh - Dublin (1.1)

23 Rajnay Bela 950
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1192032
1 Nederlandse Tour, Stage 4 (1.1)
8 -/-7sp:
out

29 Alston Dallas 920
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1202385
5 -/-1alr: 4x
1 Mullagh - Dublin (1.1)
3 Mullagh - Dublin (1.1)
1 Oslo Rundtur (1)
2 Bergen Rundtur (1)

32 Chase Falcone 920
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1201271
5 -/-5cl:
out

23 Sean Anesi 910
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1198227
4 -/-1sp: 3x
2 Hills of the 216 (1)
2 Parma - Ferrara (1)
1 Germany Tour, Stage 9 (1)

42 Lennart Wester 850
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1204983
7 -/-3sp: 4x
1 Grasse - Toulon (2)
2 Nuoro GP (2)
2 Aleksander Hetlands Æresritt (2)
3 Lappi Sea GP (2)

75 Zhuo Xiong 850
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1203181
5 -/-3cl:
out

69 James Kelley 830
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1205308
4 -/-1wt -/-1dh:
out

91 Bruno Filipczak 820
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1180787
4 -/-2cl -/-2alr:
out

31 Joelson Garrido 790
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1206022
8 -/-4cl -/-1gc: 3x
1 Taiwan Black Bear Tour, Stage 4 (1)
1 Taiwan Black Bear Tour, Stage 2 (1)
2 Swazi Gold Race (1)

21 Abraham Mazimpaka 766
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1212533
8 -/-2wt -/-1gc -/-1cl: 4x
1  Taiwan Black Bear Tour, Stage 1 (1)
3 Bordeaux-Toulouse (1)
3 Oslo Rundtur (1)
3 Swazi Gold Race (1)

51 Tyrell Izzard 760
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1191909
1x:
out

73 Drosmis Fadejevs 710
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1205739
4x
1 Sarajevo History Hillers (3)
1 Trofeo Perla del Mediterráneo (3)
2 In the Khan´s Footsteps (3)
2 Altdorf Grand Prix (3)

61 Geomar Giara 710
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1183687
4x
1 Bergen Rundtur (1)
2 Mons - Turnhout (1)
2 Liverpool - Leeds (1)
2 Essex Tour, Stage 1 (1)

64 Foncho Platas 700
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1178096
2x:
out

65 Thomas Van den Plas 700
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1156867
1x:
out

172 Dang Zhijun
http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/?page=Rider%20Profile&id=1199528
7 -/-1cb -/-1tt:5
1 El Corazón de México (5)
1 El Corazón de México, Stage 1 (5)
1 El Corazón de México, Stage 3 (5)
1 Edmonton Red Deer Tour (4)
2 Edmonton Red Deer Tour, Stage 4 (4)

Points inside category count for the following:

- normal races or tour stages
where HL is higher than DH, CB, TQ and TT,
HL is higher or equal to CL,
and FR and/or SP aren't 2+ higher than HL
-  GC results for Edmonton, Coppa della Famiglia del Don, El Tocororo, Corazon de Mexico, Tour of the Western Cape, Essex or Cymru if the rider has a HL>75

List of top and zyte division races counted is here: http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/forum/general/254864

Format for this category:

Name:
Team:
OCM Tour Rank:
OCM Tour Points:
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets)
wins inside category, including  mention classic wins (Divisions in which races were won)
other results inside category, including mention classic results (Divisions in which results were achieved


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Post  Don Hamstre Wed Jul 27, 2022 12:12 pm

Points inside category count for the following:

- normal races or tour stages where HL is higher than DH, CB, TQ and TT, HL is higher or equal to CL, and FR and/or SP aren't 2+ higher than HL
-  GC results for Edmonton, Coppa della Famiglia del Don, El Tocororo, Corazon de Mexico, Tour of the Western Cape, Essex or Cymru if the rider has a HL>75

List of top and zyte division races counted is here: http://www.cyclingsimulator.com/forum/general/254864

Format for this category:

Name:
Team:
OCM Tour Rank:
OCM Tour Points:
Points inside category: (percentage between brackets)
wins inside category, including  mention classic wins (Divisions in which races were won)
other results inside category, including mention classic results (Divisions in which results were achieved

Example:

Name: Hank Doe
Team: Invisible Riders
OCM Tour Rank: 12th
OCM Tour Points: 1200
Points inside category: 800 (66%)
2 wins inside category, including Bergen Rundtur (1 Div1, 1 Div2)
5 other results inside category (1 Div1, 1 Div1.1, 3 Div2)

Please do it exactly like this, just don't nominate Hank Doe lol!

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