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Post  Don Hamstre Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:40 am

El Salvador wins the vote for the final spot

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Post  Holwerda Tue Feb 15, 2022 11:38 am

Hong Kong

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Post  English Sprinting Team Mon Feb 14, 2022 10:03 pm

El Salvador

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Post  paceuts Thu Feb 10, 2022 4:28 am

I'll vote El Salvador

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Post  coulter Wed Feb 09, 2022 4:48 pm

Hong Kong for me.

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Post  Fox_River_Max Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:21 pm

El Salvador for me as well.

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Post  Silenzio Tue Feb 08, 2022 10:09 am

El Salvador has my vote

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Post  paceuts Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:21 am

Thanks very much. Fixed.

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Post  Holwerda Mon Feb 07, 2022 4:26 pm

Looks good, two corrections:
Namibia two wins are Lozuvatka - Kryvyi Rih (WT) and Lisboa - Peniche (WT)
El Salvador has 4 other results, also a second place in Nitra - Zvolen (WT)

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Post  paceuts Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:15 pm

Ready for checking. Three nominees further below and two candidates to be voted on just under this.

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Post  paceuts Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:14 pm

Name: luis
Nation: El Salvador
OCM World Tour Rank: 32nd
OCM World Tour Points: 300
Number of ranked riders: 7
1 win, Somerset Village - Fort Victoria (1 WT Div-D)
4 other results, 2nd Talca - Laguna del Maule, Nitra - Zvolen, 3rd Koper - Kolovrat, 3rd Minas - Montevideo (1 WT Div-C, 3 WT Div-D)

Name: Oriental
Nation: Hong Kong
OCM World Tour Rank: 25th
OCM World Tour Points: 408
Number of ranked riders: 8
2 wins, Nitra - Zvolen, Tabor Grandprix (1 WT Div-B, 1 WT Div-D)
2 other results, 2nd Arabuko Sokoke Forest - Mombasa, 3rd Zürich - Lugano (1 WT Div-C, 1 WT Div-D)


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Post  paceuts Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:25 pm

I wrote this in the post I accidentally deleted, but agree with Coulter. Brazil had a great season, but didn't outperform some smaller countries with a lesser selection of riders, Namibia included.

El Salvador and Hong Kong up for vote makes sense to me. I'll add their info later.

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Post  coulter Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:45 pm

I think Brazil shouldn't be nominated -- NZ had a better season with less active teams and less riders and I agree with NZ not being nominated. For me, WT isn't all about wins, its more about rankings -- many nations don't have any riders likely to win a WT race (especially WT A), so those who lie high up the rankings with little to no riders deserve nominations: Hong Kong, El Salvador would be my choice for voting purposes. Winning over the big nations like Norway, England or the Netherlands (esp!) is often luck in WT.

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Post  paceuts Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:44 pm

Name: Frank Holwerda
Nation: Netherlands
OCM World Tour Rank: 1st
OCM World Tour Points: 1820
Number of ranked riders: 309
3 wins, CoN Delhi, CoN Beijing, CoN Washington City TT (WT Div-A)
7 other results, 2nd Bukarest - Sinaia, Con Paris, Bruxelles - Liège, Barcelona - Quanca, and 3rd Velikiye Luki - Gruzdovo, CoN Rio de Janeiro, Lisboa - Peniche (WT Div-A)

Name: Goege
Nation: Namibia
OCM World Tour Rank: 8th
OCM World Tour Points: 800
Number of ranked riders: 13
2 wins, Lozuvatka - Kryvyi Rih, Lisboa - Peniche (1 WT Div-A, 1 WT Div-B)
2 other results, 2nd CoN Delhi, CoN Rio de Janeiro (WT Div-A)

Name: Simon de Montfort
Nation: Poland
OCM World Tour Rank: 3rd
OCM World Tour Points: 900
Number of ranked riders: 127
2 wins, CoN Paris, Oslo Grand Prix (WT Div-A)
1 other result, 2nd CoN Sydney (WT Div-A)


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Post  paceuts Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:23 pm

Notes to myself when I have to redo this before I forget:

Netherlands had 3 straight wins in CoN, 7 other results
Poland had 2 wins, 1 other results
Namibia had 2 wins (Lisboa and the first WTB race) and 2 results in the climbing races

@Silenzio fair enough with El Salvador and Hong Kong, but I'm still not convinced by Brazil. Equalling Namibia but with a better selection of riders, including Douglas Brasil...

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Post  paceuts Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:20 pm

AAAAHHH I just spent 15 minutes putting together the nominee information and I think I closed my tab Sad

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Post  Silenzio Sat Feb 05, 2022 5:06 pm

Completely agree on the nominations

Wrt the discussion: Its correct that the four you mention have 1 win.

Since El Salvador has 4 other results I think the deserve to be in the vote.
I think Hong Kong should be included too: 2 wins and 2 other results (1 ranked team, 8 ranked riders) --> 25th with 408 points.
I think I like Brazil for the vote too. They tie 8th place with Namibia, so would say rank 8th.

Would leave out Kyrgyzstan and Timor-Leste. 1 win and 1 other result isn't enough in this case I think. Other countries Belgium, Germany, Macau, Colombia, Wales, Liechtenstein, Burundi had two wins.

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Post  paceuts Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:11 pm

NOMINATED
Netherlands
Poland
Namibia

TO DISCUSS
All four of these had 1 win (I think, didn't check CoN). I list their WT rankings, points, ranked teams, and ranked riders.
Brazil 9th 800 6 42
Kyrgyzstan 18th 520 3 20
El Salvador 32nd 300 1 7
Timor-Leste 42nd 230 1 4

I would put Brazil last since I think Namibia clearly has a stronger case.

So that would put Kyrgyzstan, El Salvador, and Timor-Leste up to vote.

Any objections?

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Post  Silenzio Wed Feb 02, 2022 10:05 am

Nice list. Maybe El Salvador?

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Post  paceuts Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:20 pm

Some candidates:
Netherlands
Poland
New Zealand
Namibia
Brazil
Kyrgyzstan
Timor-Leste

Thoughts? Anyone I missed who should be in?

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Post  Don Hamstre Tue Jan 25, 2022 3:24 pm

Format for this category:

Name:
Nation:
OCM World Tour Rank:
OCM World Tour Points:
Number of ranked riders:
wins,  mention all wins (Divisions in which races were won)
other results mention all results (Divisions in which results were achieved)

Example:

Name: John Doe
Nation: Hordaland
OCM World Tour Rank: 26th
OCM World Tour Points: 400
Number of ranked riders: 42
1 win, Minas- Montevideo (WT Div-C)
2 other results, 2nd Budapest-Debrecen, 3rd Tabor Grandprix (1 WT Div-B, 1 WT Div-C)

Please do it exactly like this, just don't nominate John Doe lol!

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