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Re: Best Rider
That is fine, but the we'll update the rules to just this:
- a maximum of 2 riders per specialty can be nominated
And do the rest of the category the same as all the others (like we did this season).
Probably the easiest any way.
- a maximum of 2 riders per specialty can be nominated
And do the rest of the category the same as all the others (like we did this season).
Probably the easiest any way.
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Re: Best Rider
Seeing as Bredesen was unanimously preferred over Jin, I think it's safe to leave Jin out and stick to 4.
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Re: Best Rider
A bit of confusion here, because we seem to have followed the format for the rest of the categories here on accident.
So there is room for 1 more nominee even with both of the guys we voted on on the form, as these were the proposed new rules:
- 6 nominees on the form
- a maximum of 2 riders per specialty can be nominated
However, we can also trim it down to 5 and leave it at these 5, because I don't see that many other candidates any way.
So there is room for 1 more nominee even with both of the guys we voted on on the form, as these were the proposed new rules:
- 6 nominees on the form
- a maximum of 2 riders per specialty can be nominated
However, we can also trim it down to 5 and leave it at these 5, because I don't see that many other candidates any way.
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Re: Best Rider
Steinar Bredesen
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Re: Best Rider
We have a clear winner in Bredesen.
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Thanks Jime, I took the points on Day 1 so maybe that had an impact. Will edit the changes.
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Checked. Just remember the spelling of Benjamim Fontes.
For Brasil, you don't need points inside category.
I just checked Bredesen's points and calculated it as 826. I double checked it too, so I'm pretty sure it's right.
Everything else looks correct, confirmed that Shu Jin scored 660 points. And I vote for Bredesen.
For Brasil, you don't need points inside category.
I just checked Bredesen's points and calculated it as 826. I double checked it too, so I'm pretty sure it's right.
Everything else looks correct, confirmed that Shu Jin scored 660 points. And I vote for Bredesen.
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Re: Best Rider
Candidate 2/2
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Name: Shu Jin
Team: Opium Fueled
OCM Tour Rank: 82nd
OCM Tour Points: 660
2 wins, including Essex Tour (both Div 1)
3 other results, including 3rd Germany Tour (all Div 1)
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Name: Shu Jin
Team: Opium Fueled
OCM Tour Rank: 82nd
OCM Tour Points: 660
2 wins, including Essex Tour (both Div 1)
3 other results, including 3rd Germany Tour (all Div 1)
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Candidate 1/2
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Name: Steinar Bredesen
Team: Temora Tornadoes
OCM Tour Rank: 40th
OCM Tour Points: 826
3 wins, including WC, Coppa della Famiglia del Don (1 Div 1, 2 Div 2)
5 other results, including 3rd Vuelta a Valparaìso (2 Div 1.1, 2 Div 2)
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Name: Steinar Bredesen
Team: Temora Tornadoes
OCM Tour Rank: 40th
OCM Tour Points: 826
3 wins, including WC, Coppa della Famiglia del Don (1 Div 1, 2 Div 2)
5 other results, including 3rd Vuelta a Valparaìso (2 Div 1.1, 2 Div 2)
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Re: Best Rider
Hey,
Nominees
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Name: Fabio Borges
Team: Team AEK
OCM Tour Rank: 2nd
OCM Tour Points: 1910
3 wins (all Div1)
10 other results, including 2nd SC Vuelta de los Castillos, 3rd Copa Salsa de Cali, 4th Helsinki GP (Div1)
Name: Douglas Brasil
Team: Time Indaiatuba
OCM Tour Rank: 3rd
OCM Tour Points: 1613
Points inside Category: 1345 (83%)
15 wins, including GC+YC Kangaroo Tour, SC Norway Tour, SC Perm Tour (14 Div3, 1 Div4),
6 other results (3 Div2, 1 Div 2.1, 2 Div3), including 6th Helsinki GP Mini (Div 2)
Name: Benjamim Fontes
Team: Cokol Breakaway Team
OCM Tour Rank: 1st
OCM Tour Points: 2060
9 wins, including Roubaix Classic, Astana GP (all Div1)
5 other results, including 2nd place Tweedaagse van Antwerpen GC, 3rd place Antwerpen - Huy (all Div1)
Nominees
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Name: Fabio Borges
Team: Team AEK
OCM Tour Rank: 2nd
OCM Tour Points: 1910
3 wins (all Div1)
10 other results, including 2nd SC Vuelta de los Castillos, 3rd Copa Salsa de Cali, 4th Helsinki GP (Div1)
Name: Douglas Brasil
Team: Time Indaiatuba
OCM Tour Rank: 3rd
OCM Tour Points: 1613
Points inside Category: 1345 (83%)
15 wins, including GC+YC Kangaroo Tour, SC Norway Tour, SC Perm Tour (14 Div3, 1 Div4),
6 other results (3 Div2, 1 Div 2.1, 2 Div3), including 6th Helsinki GP Mini (Div 2)
Name: Benjamim Fontes
Team: Cokol Breakaway Team
OCM Tour Rank: 1st
OCM Tour Points: 2060
9 wins, including Roubaix Classic, Astana GP (all Div1)
5 other results, including 2nd place Tweedaagse van Antwerpen GC, 3rd place Antwerpen - Huy (all Div1)
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Re: Best Rider
Agree with Don's change.
Also think Bredesen should be in the running.
Also think Bredesen should be in the running.
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I like Don's suggestion
What about Steinar Bredesen as Climber/allrounder: 1st in WC and Coppa del Famiglia del Don and 3rd in Vuelta a valparaisa.
What about Steinar Bredesen as Climber/allrounder: 1st in WC and Coppa del Famiglia del Don and 3rd in Vuelta a valparaisa.
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Re: Best Rider
It is difficult.
The rules were adjusted because sprinters just simply have it way easier to get impressive looking point and ranking scores, and without restrictions we often see 4-5 of those make this list.
And tis category is right at the end of the voting form, so it shouldn't really influence the voting in other categories.
However, it is definitely a problem that there is less room for riders that don't fit into categories that well.
So I suggest the following change:
- 6 nominees on the form
- a maximum of 2 riders per specialty can be nominated
Simpler, and less restrictive.
Is everyone ok with that?
btw, I feel Steinar Bredesen might be worth considering given his WC win, Cup win, and Tour podium. But no idea how he measures up with all the others.
The rules were adjusted because sprinters just simply have it way easier to get impressive looking point and ranking scores, and without restrictions we often see 4-5 of those make this list.
And tis category is right at the end of the voting form, so it shouldn't really influence the voting in other categories.
However, it is definitely a problem that there is less room for riders that don't fit into categories that well.
So I suggest the following change:
- 6 nominees on the form
- a maximum of 2 riders per specialty can be nominated
Simpler, and less restrictive.
Is everyone ok with that?
btw, I feel Steinar Bredesen might be worth considering given his WC win, Cup win, and Tour podium. But no idea how he measures up with all the others.
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Re: Best Rider
Don, thoughts on restrictions regarding list of nominees?
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I feel the same way about the nomination style.
I also agree with the need to nominate Shu Jin.
I also agree with the need to nominate Shu Jin.
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Well, I understand the format but I don't agree with it, because you basically say by nominating 1 TTer for example that you expect him to win the TT award, same for every other category.
I just did the nomination of the TTers yesterday and I think there are other riders (with other specialties who deserve it more), same for Sunde he is the Climber with most points, but his season is as you said not impressive with 2 wins.
I think Shu Jin deserves to be in, with 1st Essex GC and 3rd in Germany GC his season is way more impressive, 'but he does not fit in the categories'
Only Fontes, Borges and Brasil have to be in it, from the names you mentioned. But I think there are better options for the last three, such as Shu Jin
I just did the nomination of the TTers yesterday and I think there are other riders (with other specialties who deserve it more), same for Sunde he is the Climber with most points, but his season is as you said not impressive with 2 wins.
I think Shu Jin deserves to be in, with 1st Essex GC and 3rd in Germany GC his season is way more impressive, 'but he does not fit in the categories'
Only Fontes, Borges and Brasil have to be in it, from the names you mentioned. But I think there are better options for the last three, such as Shu Jin
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Re: Best Rider
Izzard is my pick from the TTers, considering he won the WC ITT too.
I'd pick Sunde from the climbers, though with 2 wins and no tours/classics, I'm not convinced.
Jepsen is the top hiller at 6th in OCM Tour, but with no wins can hardly be the Best Rider. Swim has wins but is more of a hill-sprinter combo.
I'm proposing Fontes, Borges, Brasil, Izzard, Sunde, Jepsen/Swim.
Would appreciate people's thoughts before finalizing and adding the stats.
I'd pick Sunde from the climbers, though with 2 wins and no tours/classics, I'm not convinced.
Jepsen is the top hiller at 6th in OCM Tour, but with no wins can hardly be the Best Rider. Swim has wins but is more of a hill-sprinter combo.
I'm proposing Fontes, Borges, Brasil, Izzard, Sunde, Jepsen/Swim.
Would appreciate people's thoughts before finalizing and adding the stats.
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Re: Best Rider
Some potential nominees:
SP: Borges, Brasil
CL: Sunde, Wieringh, Witham
HL: Jepsen, Swim
CB: Fontes, Kleven
TT: Fjeld, Aase, Izzard, Kirui, Sa'u
SP: Borges, Brasil
CL: Sunde, Wieringh, Witham
HL: Jepsen, Swim
CB: Fontes, Kleven
TT: Fjeld, Aase, Izzard, Kirui, Sa'u
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Best Rider
- No more than 2 riders from same specialty (except for exceptional performances)
- At least 1 rider from CL, SP, TT, CB, HL specialties (except for exceptional under performance of a specialty)
After last season showed this category was hard to do in the new format, we will just use the old rules for this one only, and work with 5-6 nominees and no committee vote on them.
Name:
Team:
OCM Tour Rank:
OCM Tour Points:
wins, including mention classic and tour wins, do not mention stages (Divisions in which races were won)
other results, including mention classic and tour results, do not mention stages (Divisions in which results were achieved)
Example:
Name: John Doe
Team: Invisible Riders
OCM Tour Rank: 135th
OCM Tour Points: 700
2 wins, including Tour of Hawaii, and Kangaroo GC (both Div3)
5 other results, including 7th place Mito-Tokyo (1 Div1.1, 2 Div2, 3 Div3)
Please do it exactly like this, just don't nominate John Doe
- At least 1 rider from CL, SP, TT, CB, HL specialties (except for exceptional under performance of a specialty)
After last season showed this category was hard to do in the new format, we will just use the old rules for this one only, and work with 5-6 nominees and no committee vote on them.
Name:
Team:
OCM Tour Rank:
OCM Tour Points:
wins, including mention classic and tour wins, do not mention stages (Divisions in which races were won)
other results, including mention classic and tour results, do not mention stages (Divisions in which results were achieved)
Example:
Name: John Doe
Team: Invisible Riders
OCM Tour Rank: 135th
OCM Tour Points: 700
2 wins, including Tour of Hawaii, and Kangaroo GC (both Div3)
5 other results, including 7th place Mito-Tokyo (1 Div1.1, 2 Div2, 3 Div3)
Please do it exactly like this, just don't nominate John Doe
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