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Post  Holwerda Tue May 09, 2023 3:59 pm

Name: MW
Team: DeRodeLantaarn
OCM Tour Rank: 2
OCM Tour Points: 4874
7 wins,
23 other results, 8th Helsinki GP (1), 4th Copa Salsa de Cali (1), 8th Norwich-London (1), 5th Zürich-Bern-Zürich (1), 8th Tweedaagse van Antwerpen (1), 3rd Roubaix Classic (1)

Name: Michael Danner
Team: CyclingClubChumotov
OCM Tour Rank: 41
OCM Tour Points: 2221
12 wins, Coppa della Famiglia del Don (2), Vuelta a Valparaìso (2), Vuelta de los Castillos (1), Patryk Drozdowski Trophy Cup (1), The Two Pass Tour (2), The Two Pass Tour, Sprint Classification (2)
15 other results, 3rd Vuelta a Valparaìso, Sprint Classification (2), 4th Essex Tour (1), 2nd Cymru Taith (2), 3rd Volta ao Porto (2)

Name: Snowbear
Team: Alpine
OCM Tour Rank: 1
OCM Tour Points: 5040
14 wins, Germany Tour, Sprint Classification (1), Critérium La Provence (1), Norwich-London (1)
24 other results, 4th World Championships (1), 3rd Astana GP (1), 9th Copa Salsa de Cali (1), 7th Essex Tour (1), 3rd Antwerpen - Huy (1), 3rd Vuelta de los Castillos (1), 7th Patryk Drozdowski Trophy Cup (1), 4th Tweedaagse van Antwerpen (1), 5th Roubaix Classic (1), 7th Taiwan Black Bear Tour, 2nd Taiwan Black Bear Tour, Youth Classification (1)

Name: El Pato
Team: AK Pro Race
OCM Tour Rank: 4
OCM Tour Points: 4650
9 wins, Vuelta de los Castillos, Youth Classification (1)
16 other results, 5th Germany Tour (1), 9th Critérium La Provence (1), 9th Norwich-London (1), 7th Alpe d`Huez Classic (1)

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Post  Holwerda Tue May 09, 2023 3:58 pm

Michael Danner wins

The Erwinator 1
Michael Danner 4

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Post  The Modern Stijn Tue May 09, 2023 12:25 pm

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Post  Don Hamstre Mon May 08, 2023 8:50 am

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Post  DeRodeLantaarn Sun May 07, 2023 6:19 pm

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Post  English Sprinting Team Sun May 07, 2023 1:24 pm

I vote for Michael Danner

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Post  Silenzio Sat May 06, 2023 9:53 pm

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Post  team dustin Thu May 04, 2023 2:57 pm

Changed:
Silenzio in, Andeby out

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Post  Don Hamstre Thu May 04, 2023 12:18 pm

I think I would swap AK Pro Race or Andeby out for Silenzio. And since Andeby scored 1200 points more the season before I'd say he should be on the chopping block.
AEK can be in the vote for my part, but I wouldn't vote on him, so I don 't value him that much. He has the best sprinting team ever, yes, but that's been rewarded by best manager wins already in much better seasons. This is an average season for him. I don't think Morgevejo actually is that impressive considering the support he has and the Nederlandse drops. 
(There is a LeBron should win MVP every season argument to be made for having created the best sprinting team ever, but that almost never works like that in sports awards Wink )

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Post  Silenzio Thu May 04, 2023 11:54 am

Its your category, I am only checking here. If my check does not convince you to do otherwise, I think we should just go with what you wanted. Frank already gave his opinion. You can weigh it in, but we can't let Don/Frank overrule the souvereign committeemember Smile

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Post  team dustin Thu May 04, 2023 11:50 am

It is only my thought, how I come to this,

I let it to Frank/Don to decide what they want.

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Post  Silenzio Thu May 04, 2023 11:34 am

Yeah, I quite like how we can differ about what you value most.

What TVM did demands soooo much planning. Knowing exactly when you need to be at what amount of points and with what rider in which shape. Compared to scoring a maximum of points with your current squads, its very demanding...

For me, I stopped scoring after Copa Salsa (d57-d71), because it enabled me to enter Nederlandse and to combine it with the WC which was sprinty too. If grabbing a maximum amount of points was my goal that is ridiculous management: I ceased from scoring two weeks, and spent two TFs of my best riders in one tour and a race that does not give out points. I don't think I would have valued the potential added points though too much if I had chosen otherwise.

Funny, you are prepared to switch CCC out, but from a bigraceperspective, CCC deserves a nomination probably most, more than AEK/Sil/TVM imo.

So if you are not prepared to switch out Andeby or AKP, I would keep things as they are.


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Post  team dustin Thu May 04, 2023 10:20 am

I have based it mostly on the quantity of points
Alpine is clear, No 1 and a lot of other stuff.
DeRodeLantaarn, Andeby and AK Pro Race has around the same numerous of points, quite similar, No 5 has clearly lower, so decided to take them all.
For the last one, I take another, in this case, CyclingClubChumotov

The main goal of the game is to take as much as possible points, seems me, there are a lot of other goals for many other teams, I know, but for one it is this, for another it is that.
Team AEK is one of the best sprinting teams, certainly, he planned and do the races he want, if he want to do the NL Tour, he do the NL Tour ... if he wants, he is a top 10 team.
Silenzio is one of the top teams at this moment, always incredible talents, a lot of really great riders, has his goals, but I expect more personally with such a team, playing for a top 3 ranking, and that shall come, I think through partly rebuilding his team it is not yet.

But it is only my view on doing it on this way.

But changing is no problem for me, for example, AEK and Silenzio IN and CyclingClubChumotov OUT.


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Post  Silenzio Wed May 03, 2023 7:29 am

AGREE, for same reasons the nominations can stay as are. Its about what you value most.

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Post  Holwerda Tue May 02, 2023 10:54 am

True Silenzio, but net getting nominated when you did so well as MW is not fair imo.
But El Pato and Donald could be replaced I think by Adilson and Silenzio. That would make sense to me.

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Post  Silenzio Tue May 02, 2023 10:44 am

Impressive list with managers. Yet, I feel this is not a real competition this way.

My consideration is that of the nominees Snowbear beats Donald, MW and El Pato in every aspect: more wins, more points, more tourresults, more classic wins and so on. I guess you weighed in MW has a single nation team, but we have a separate award for that (which is worse enough). Anyhow Pato and MW have had sort of same season, both much trailing to snowbear. And the same applies to Donald.

Danner had in some respects a better season than Snowbear, regarding the tourwins. I think he definitely deserves a nomination.

Others that might be considered as managers that did something that Alpine didn't
Team AEK, won Nederlandse GC+YC, Copa Salsa AND Vejle-Kobenhavn, and did something extraordinary by getting a 25yo rider on the Kenny Haakon list.
Silenzio won some of the most prestigious stuff: ZBZ and Germany Tour GC, and has a lot of tour/classic results.
TeamTVM won 24 races. I can see that he is too much of a dropper for you to really consider.

I am not saying AEK, Silenzio and TVM did better than RoL, AKP and Andeby, but at least they do not evidently trail in all aspects to Alpine. I do not see how you can vote MW over Snowbear this season. I do see how you can vote Adilson over Snowbear.

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Post  team dustin Tue May 02, 2023 9:05 am

nominated:

Name: Snowbear
Team: Alpine
OCM Tour Rank: 1
OCM Tour Points: 5040
14 wins, Germany Tour, Sprint Classification (1), Critérium La Provence (1), Norwich-London (1)
24 other results, 4th World Championships (1), 3rd Astana GP (1), 9th Copa Salsa de Cali (1), 7th Essex Tour (1), 3rd Antwerpen - Huy (1), 3rd Vuelta de los Castillos (1), 7th Patryk Drozdowski Trophy Cup (1), 4th Tweedaagse van Antwerpen (1), 5th Roubaix Classic (1), 7th Taiwan Black Bear Tour, 2nd Taiwan Black Bear Tour, Youth Classification (1)

Name: MW
Team: DeRodeLantaarn
OCM Tour Rank: 2
OCM Tour Points: 4874
7 wins,
23 other results, 8th Helsinki GP (1), 4th Copa Salsa de Cali (1), 8th Norwich-London (1), 5th Zürich-Bern-Zürich (1), 8th Tweedaagse van Antwerpen (1), 3rd Roubaix Classic (1)

Name: El Pato
Team: AK Pro Race
OCM Tour Rank: 4
OCM Tour Points: 4650
9 wins, Vuelta de los Castillos, Youth Classification (1)
16 other results, 5th Germany Tour (1), 9th Critérium La Provence (1), 9th Norwich-London (1), 7th Alpe d`Huez Classic (1)

to choose:

*out
* Name: Donald
* Team: Andeby
* OCM Tour Rank: 3
* OCM Tour Points: 4770
* 6 wins, World Championships ITT (1), Essex Tour, Youth Classification (1)
* 23 other results, 2nd World Championships ITT (1), 2nd Helsinki GP (1), 5th Essex Tour (1), 3rd Taiwan Black Bear Tour (1)
*out

*in
* Name: The Erwinator
* Team: Silenzio
* OCM Tour Rank: 18
* OCM Tour Points: 2932
* 7 wins, Germany Tour (1), Zürich-Bern-Zürich (1) (div 1, div 1.1)
* 24 other results, 2nd World Championships (1), 2nd and 5th Nederlandse Tour (1.1), 2nd Germany Tour, Youth Classification (1), 3rd Critérium La Provence (1), 2nd Copa Salsa de Cali (1), 2nd Vuelta de los Castillos, Sprint Classification (1), 4th Norwich-London (1), 7th Tweedaagse van Antwerpen (1), 2nd Tweedaagse van Antwerpen, Youth Classification (1), 6th Roubaix Classic (1), (div 1, div 1.1, div u23)
*in

Name: Michael Danner  
Team: CyclingClubChumotov
OCM Tour Rank: 41
OCM Tour Points: 2221
12 wins, Coppa della Famiglia del Don (2), Vuelta a Valparaìso (2), Vuelta de los Castillos (1), Patryk Drozdowski Trophy Cup (1), The Two Pass Tour (2), The Two Pass Tour, Sprint Classification (2)
15 other results, 3rd Vuelta a Valparaìso, Sprint Classification (2), 4th Essex Tour (1), 2nd Cymru Taith (2), 3rd Volta ao Porto (2)


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Post  team dustin Mon May 01, 2023 7:32 am

Shortlist to check, working on

**1. Alpine 5040, 14w 38r, classics sc
**2. DeRodeLantaarn 4874, 7w 30r, 1 nation team
* 3. Andeby 4770, 6w 29r, wc yc

* 4. AK Pro Race 4650, 9w 25r, yc
X 5. Team Oasis 4170, 7w 30r, yc
X 6. Team Chili 4106, 9w 24r, tour

X 7. ABK 3584, 7w 22r, tour
X 8. Odfjell Tankers 3570, 6w 18r, tour
X 9. Drake Racing 3550, 6w 17r, classic
X 10. LoleursLovers 3354, 1w 17r
X 14. IndieRock 3160, 5w 20r, yc
X 16. Team Wonderdee 3022, 4w 15r, yc
X 17. Time Indaiatuba 3007, 6w 17r, some classics/tour
X 31. TeamTVM 2415, 24w 51r, a lot lower division, after go back down
* 41. CyclingClubChumotov 2221, 12w 27r, a really tour racing team

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Post  Silenzio Sat Apr 29, 2023 11:17 am

TeamTVM and CyclingClubChumotov are notable from the "lower" ranked teams

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Post  team dustin Sat Apr 29, 2023 12:22 am

some information I needed for to work out:

Divisions


Division 1 - Top Division

Pos.

Team
Points

1.

Norway Alpine
5040

2.

Netherlands DeRodeLantaarn
4874

3.

Taiwan Andeby
4770

4.

Poland AK Pro Race
4650

5.

Iran Team Oasis
4170

6.

Taiwan Team Chili
4106

7.

Denmark ABK
3584

8.

Norway Odfjell Tankers
3570

9.

Norway Drake Racing
3550

10.

France LoleursLovers
3354

11.

Uzbekistan Navarone Cycling Team
3320

12.

Czech Republic PEKAC B
3272

13.

Netherlands NJ procycling
3180

14.

Italy IndieRock
3160

15.

Norway Team Majones
3070

16.

Norway Team WonderDee
3022

17.

Brazil Time Indaiatuba
3007

18.

Norway Silenzio
2932

19.

Netherlands Team AEK
2923

20.

England team futerko
2718

21.

Netherlands Skeel
2670

22.

Norway Jubalon ProCycling
2638

23.

France Rantanplan
2630

24.

Netherlands DZWF
2610

25.

Hong Kong Opium Fueled
2600

26.

Netherlands Holwerda Cycling
2544

27.

Netherlands peddelen
2500

28.

Netherlands The Ullrichs
2486

29.

Belgium team dustin
2468

30.

Netherlands Cyclocomotiv
2430

31.

France TeamTVM
2415

32.

Belgium CARCYCL
2410

33.

Norway Team Seidel
2408

34.

France Fissa
2406

35.

Poland AnnoDomini
2330

36.

Netherlands Snooman
2302

37.

Sweden Team Siverbo
2288

38.

Namibia Goege Team
2271

39.

England English Sprinting Team
2270

40.

Trinidad and Tobago Fox River
2221

41.

Czech Republic CyclingClubChomutov
2221

42.

Fiji Xtreme Cycling
2160

43.

Jamaica Spliff cycling
2140

44.

England Men of Steel
2115

45.

Netherlands Pelles Gazelles
2100

46.

Belgium disco cycling
2096

47.

Latvia Zakisu Pirtina
2096

48.

Australia AGB Procycling
2075

49.

Libya Lots o Huggin Bear
2060

50.

Belgium pollyjean
2059


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Post  English Sprinting Team Fri Apr 28, 2023 11:44 am

The format for this category:

Name:
Team:
OCM Tour Rank:
OCM Tour Points:
wins, including mention classic and tour wins, do not mention stages (Divisions in which races were won)
other results, including mention classic and tour results, do not mention stages (Divisions in which results were achieved)

Example:

Name: John Doe
Team: Invisible Riders
OCM Tour Rank: 135th
OCM Tour Points: 1000
3 wins, including Tour of Hawaii, and Kangaroo GC (1 Div2, 2 Div3)
8 other results, including 7th place Mito-Tokyo (1 Div1.1, 2 Div2, 5 Div3)

Please do it exactly like this, just don't nominate John Doe

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